Mantey and Barclay Letters to the Watchtower
                  (with comments from Paul Thompson)

In the past the Watchtower used Professor Julius Mantey's Greek Grammar Text
to support their interpretation of John 1:1. The following is a copy of a
letter sent by Professor Mantey to the Watchtower Society in regards to their
misquoting him.

Dear Sirs:

I have a copy of your letter addressed to Caris in Santa Ana, California,
and I am writing to express my disagreement with statements made in that
letter, as well as in quotations you have made from the Dana-Mantey Greek
Grammar.

(1) Your statement: "their work allows for the rendering found in the
    Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures at John 1:1,"
    There is no statement in our grammar that was ever meant to imply that
    "a god" was a permissible translation in John 1:1.

  A. We had no "rule" to argue in support of the trinity.

  B. Neither did we state that we did have such intention. We were simply
     delineating the facts inherent in Biblical language.

  C. You quotation from p. 148 (3) was a paragraph under the heading: "With
     the subject in a Copulative Sentence." Two examples occur here to
     illustrate that "the article points out the subject in these
     examples." But we made no statement in this paragraph about the
     predicate except that, "as it stands the other persons of the trinity
     may be implied ;in theos." And isn't that the opposite of what your
     translation "a god" infers? You quoted me out of context. On pages
     139 and 140 (VI) in our grammar we stated: "without the article,
     theos signifies divine essence...'theos en ho logos' emphasizes
     Christ's participation in the essence of the divine nature." Our
     interpretation is in agreement with that in NEB and TED: "What God
     was, the Word was"; and with that of Barclay: "The nature of the Word
     was the same as the nature of God," which you quoted in you letter to
     Caris.

(2) Since Colwell's and Harner's article in JBL, especially that of Harner,
    it is neither scholarly nor reasonable to translate John 1:1 "The Word
    was a god." Word-order has made obsolete and incorrect such a rendering.

(3) Your quotation of Colwell's rule is inadequate because it quotes only a
    part of his findings. You did not quote this strong assertion: "A
    predicate nominative which precedes the verb cannot be translated as an
    indefinite or a 'qualitative' noun solely because of the absence of the
    article."

(4) Prof. Harner, Vol 92:1 in JBL, has gone beyond Colwell's research and
   has discovered that anarthrous predicate nouns preceding the verb
   function primarily to express the nature or character of the subject.
   He found this true in 53 passages in the Gospel of John and 8 in the
   Gospel of Mark. Both scholars wrote that when indefiniteness was
   intended that gospel writers regularly placed the predicate noun after
   the verb, and both Colwell and Harner have stated that theos in John
   1:1 is not indefinite and should not be translated "a god." Watchtower
   writers appear to be the only ones advocating such a translation now.
   The evidence appears to be 99% against them.

(5) Your statement in your letter that the sacred text itself should guide
   one and "not just someone's rule book." We agree with you. But our
   study proves that Jehovah's Witnesses do the opposite of that whenever
   the "sacred text" differs with their heretical beliefs. For example the
   translation of kolasis as cutting off when punishment is the only meaning
   cited in the lexicons for it. The mistranslation of ego eimi as "I have
   been" in John 8:58, the addition of "for all time" in Heb. 9:27 when
   nothing in the Greek New Testament support is. The attempt to belittle
   Christ by mistranslating arche tes kriseos "beginning of the creation"
   when he is magnified as the "creator of all things" (John 1:2) and as
   "equal with God" (Phil. 2:6) before he humbled himself and lived a human
   body on earth. Your quotation of "The father is greater than I am, (John
   14:28) to prove that Jesus was not equal to God overlooks the fact stated
   in Phil 2:6-8. When Jesus said that he was still in his voluntary state
   of humiliation. That state ended when he ascended to heaven. Why the
   attempt to deliberately deceive people by mispunctuation by placing a
   comma after "today" in Luke 23:43 when in the Greek, Latin, German and
   all English translations except yours, even in the Greek in you KIT, the
   comma occurs after lego (I say) - "Today you will be with me in
   Paradise." 2 Cor 5:8, "to be out of the body and at home with the Lord."

These passages teach that the redeemed go immediately to heaven after death,
which does not agree with your teachings that death ends all life until the
resurrection. (Ps. 23:6 and Heb 1:10)

The afore mentioned are only a few examples of Watchtower mistranslations and
perversions of Gods Word.

In view of the preceding facts, especially because you have been quoting me
out of context, I herewith request you not to quote the Manual Grammar of
the Greek New Testament again, which you have been doing for 24 years. Also
that you not quote it or me in any of your publications from this time on.
Also that you publicly and immediately apologize in the Watchtower magazine,
since my words had no relevance to the absence of the article before theos
in John 1:1. And please write to Caris and state that you misused and
misquoted my "rule."

On the page before the preface in the grammar are these words: "All rights
reserved - no part of this book may be reproduced in any form without
permission in writing from the publisher."

If you have such permission, please send me a photo-copy of it. If you do
not heed these requests you will suffer the consequences.

Regretfully yours,
Julius R. Mantey


--Comments by Paul Thompson---

To my knowledge the Watchtower never published any apology in the Watchtower
magazine, nor any of its publications. If I am mistaken I am now requesting
any Jehovah Witness to copy that apology and post it in the message section
for my examination.

If anyone is interested I also have a letter written by William Barclay whom
they also quoted out of context in the Watchtower of 5\15\77 p. 319,320. 
I have room here and the letter is short so I will include it anyway!

Dear Professor XXXXXXXXXXXX,

Thank you for your letter of August 11th. The Watchtower article has, by
judicious cutting, made me say the opposite of what I meant to say. What I
was meaning to say, as you well know, is that Jesus is not the same as God,
to put it more crudely, that he is of the same stuff as God, that is of the
same being as God, but the way the Watchtower has printed my stuff has
simply left the conclusion that Jesus is not God in a way that suits
themselves.

If they missed from their answer the translation of Kenneth West and the
N.E.B., they missed the whole point.

It was good of you to write and I don't think I need say anything more to
make my position clear.

With every good wish.
Yours Sincerely
William Barclay.